But the dilemma is which engine for the Lada Vesta is better, 1.6 or 1.8. In this case, it is worth taking a closer look at their components and understanding which engine will be the better choice in which situation.
Let's compare technical characteristics
If we compare the technical characteristics of these two engines, then in terms of choice, the advantage will be on the side of the 1.8 liter engine (model 21179): 122 horsepower versus 106 for the 1.6 liter (model 21129), acceleration to 100 km/h in 12.1 s (for the “rival” "for 12.8), the maximum speed that a car can develop is 188 km/h for a 1.8-liter engine, 178 for a 1.6-liter engine. Thus, if you are more interested in quality characteristics, then you should definitely pay attention to the first option engine. However, on the other hand, it turned out to be less practical in terms of savings.
- Lukoil;
- Rosneft.
The plant calls foreign manufacturers an alternative oil for Vesta with the characteristic 5w30:
- Mobil (5w40 is also allowed, and for new cars 0w40);
- Motul Specific DEXO s2;
- Shell HELIX HX8.
It is precisely with its lower power and volume that the 1.6-liter engine turned out to be a more economical option, because its fuel consumption is slightly lower than that of its opponent: 9.3 liters - in the city; 5.5 – on the highway; 6.9 – in mixed mode (versus 10.2/6.5/7.5 for the 1.8-liter, respectively).
Now let’s move on from dry and boring numbers to a more lively “interior”. As for the drive, there are as many as three options: the larger engine has a timing belt from the German company INA (and as you know, there is no doubt about the quality of German products), the standard 1.6-liter power unit has a regular timing belt, but There is also a similar engine from the Nissan concern H4M (with a power of 110 hp, many sources indicate 114 hp, but this is incorrect), on which a chain is already installed.
In the latter case, we can talk about the “golden mean” between quality and efficiency. Although, in the case of the practicality of the drive, the Nissan engine “jumped ahead” of both of its brothers - here you can save on consumables (the chain is, however, more expensive, but it lasts much longer, there is no possibility of bending the valves).
Perspective
It should be noted that the power unit from the Nissan concern is superior to our domestic engines both in many quality and technical characteristics and in terms of efficiency (more reliable, more durable and uses less oil). Surely, not everyone needs exactly record numbers from a car and its engine - most car owners are looking for the most advantageous combination of reliability, practicality and efficiency, and therefore in this case it is worth paying attention to one with a Nissan engine.
But there is one thing, the installation of the imported H4M engine has been postponed indefinitely, apparently due to the rise in price of the model and, as a consequence, the recoupment of such an upgrade is not profitable.
There is good news, on October 20, 2017, information was received that AvtoVAZ is testing another engine on the Lada Vesta, this is a 1.4-liter gasoline turbo engine from Renault and 150 hp, we’ll find out how this will end a little later.
But in order not to further mislead the public, it is necessary to mention in a few words the combination of these engines with various types of transmissions. So, the 1.8-liter engine is installed on all three types of gearboxes used in Vesta: robotic, mechanical and. A conventional domestic 1.6-liter power unit is combined with a robot and mechanics. The Nissan engine is also installed on all three types of gearboxes. As most car owners understand, a car cannot develop its full engine potential with a robotic gearbox. But the choice of gearbox remains beyond the scope of this article; among the engines, it is worth noting the 1.6-liter Nissan concern due to its higher reliability and efficiency.
Today, dealers offer only 4 options:
— 1.6l 106 hp with 5MT and 5st.AMT gearbox
— 1.8l 122 hp with 5MT and 5st.AMT gearbox
Video comparison test of 1.6 versus 1.8 engine on Vesta:
Lada Vesta made its debut in the domestic automotive arena in 2015. The manufacturer had high expectations for the new model: Vesta was supposed to completely change the idea of the Russian automobile industry. Today we can say that AvtoVAZ engineers coped with their task. A car with a different design from previous models has become competitive.
The popularity of the car is growing, as evidenced by the fact that only in the first month of 2018, Lada Vesta surpassed its competitors in sales volume. Before buying a car, it will not be superfluous to find out what the service life of the Lada Vesta 1.6, 1.8 engine is.
Powertrain options
The car was initially equipped with three different power units: two engines with a displacement of 1.6 liters and one 1.8 liter. The AvtoVAZ plant designed the so-called 27th and 29th engines, or their full markings - 21127 and 21129. The first one had to be abandoned over time. The VAZ-21127 engine had a long service life and good technical characteristics, but its non-compliance with Euro-4 standards forced AvtoVAZ engineers to look for a way out of this situation. The solution was found in the following - to bring environmental performance to perfection by modernizing the engine.
The difference between these two power units is as follows:
- The compression ratio was reduced from 11.0 to 10.45 in the 29th engine;
- The control unit controller received new firmware with a completely different algorithm;
- The exhaust and resonance starting system has undergone modernization;
- The parts of the connecting rod and piston group have been lightened.
The new engine has joined the ranks of 16-valve engines. In general, the manufacturer managed to technically improve the Lada Vesta engine without changing the displacement or loss of power. You can also find a modification with a Nissan HR16 DE power unit under the hood. It was designed with the help of foreign engineers. The Nissan engine works effortlessly on both the AI-92 and AI-95. At the same time, the internal combustion engine was equipped with a chain instead of a timing belt, which allowed it to outperform its counterpart somewhat in terms of actual service life.
How long does the engine run on the Lada Vesta?
According to the manufacturer, the service life of the VAZ-21127 engine is more than 200 thousand km. In fact, the engine can go much further without any hassle. The car owner’s tasks include timely oil changes, refueling with high-quality fuel, and periodically checking the belt tension. The VAZ-21129 modification, thanks to its more advanced and simplified design, has a longer service life - 250 thousand km. The motor is equipped with hydraulic compensators, so there is no need to “adjust” the valves.
The 1.8-liter Nissan engine received a larger piston, a larger crank radius, and more economical oil channels. Also, the absence of a timing belt and the presence of a chain contributes to the service life of the Lada Vesta engine. The imported assembly serves uninterruptedly for about 280 thousand km, allowing the owner to save on replacing consumables. This engine modification allows for modernization and tuning. The owner of a Lada Vesta can equip his car with LPG.
Real indicators based on reviews from car owners
The standard 1.6-liter engine is paired with a 5-speed manual transmission and a robot. The quality of the transmission as a whole does not cause any complaints from owners. Also, drivers often wonder what kind of gasoline is best to fill in the Lada Vesta? The manufacturer recommends refueling only with 95-octane gasoline; this information can be found in the vehicle documentation. This is important to take into account, because the nominal resource was determined taking into account many indicators, in particular, taking into account the octane number of the fuel.
Motor 1.6
- Egor, Moscow. I've been driving Vesta since 2016, 1.6 engine, current mileage is 25 thousand km. When buying a domestic car, I was, of course, interested in the resource of the main power unit. The dealership assured that Vesta can cover more than 200 thousand km without problems. So far I have not had any problems with any breakdowns. I change the oil on time and fill up with AI-95 gasoline. A friend’s VAZ-2109 has driven about 400 thousand, so I think that the lifespan of the car depends on the owner himself.
- Maxim, Rostov. I purchased a Lada Vesta 1.6 in 2015 and have already covered about 50 thousand km. In my opinion, it turned out to be a great car. AvtoVAZ has really reached a new level, producing cars of European level. The engine runs like a clock, I use Lukoil Lux 5W40 oil. I think that the real life of the engine before major overhaul is about 250 thousand.
- Gennady, Voronezh. Before switching to Lada Vesta, I spent a lot of time driving a VAZ-21099. I spent 200 thousand and then carried out the first major overhaul. I have no doubts about the quality of our engines. On the same KIA Rio, the manufacturer assured the same mileage as on the Vesta. I’m almost sure that our car is in no way inferior to the “Korean” in terms of power unit reliability.
The service life of the VAZ-21129 engine is about 200-250 thousand km, after which further operation of the power unit is possible only if the driver devotes the proper amount of time to the car, undergoes scheduled maintenance, and carries out timely replacement of engine oil and air filters.
Motor 1.8
- Yuri, Ekaterinburg. I've been driving a Lada Vesta 1.8 for two years now. What can I say about the car, I don’t particularly like the interior, they could have done better, but the build quality of the engine is at an acceptable level. It works quieter than the “Korean” one; the robot sometimes “thinks” for too long, but not critically. Generally speaking, for two years the car has not caused me any trouble. There is no doubt about the resource that over 200,000 km. I myself saw the “nine”, which traveled more than 400,000 km.
- Stanislav, Astrakhan. I try not to turn the engine over 3000 rpm, I drive calmly. Driving the West I relax and have fun. A revolutionary domestic car, nothing less. It remains to live until the overhaul. After 20,000 miles, I changed the oil and filled it with Lukoil, which AvtoVAZ recommends. 200,000 will pass without any problems, there’s no doubt about it. Those who have problems with domestic engines need to devote more time to their car.
- Maxim, Moscow. I have already covered 12,000 km on a 2016 Lada Vesta 1.8. At the turn of the first thousand mileage, the “Check Engine” light came on, I went to the service center, they looked at it, and they said there was a problem with the ignition system. It turned out later that he had filled up with low-quality gasoline. Now I try to fill only AI-95. Although this engine is “friendly” with the 92, I don’t want to take any more risks. In general, the car is worthy of its money, it will last 200,000 km, and then we’ll see.
The manufacturer has assured the resource for this power unit to be 200,000 km, but in reality it can last much longer. The service life depends on the quality of the fuel and engine oil used.
, dedicated to the life tests of Vesta and Xray, readers of Autoreview leave their questions about two new AvtoVAZ products. We answer some of them.Tell me, please, does your Xray also accumulate water in the doors after rain or washing? This is a problem in my car.
AR: No, we haven't seen anything like that. There are only comments about the door seals: the thresholds are wet and dirty in wet weather, and dusty in dry weather.
Gennady
I would like to know about Vesta’s air conditioner: how it behaves, whether it cools enough in the heat of +30 degrees, whether it stalls the engine in urban conditions and on the highway.
AR: Cools enough. For example, in the heat of over +30 degrees, the car stood for more than half an hour in the sun (the outside temperature sensor showed +51 degrees!), and the air conditioning system did an excellent job.
Bukreev Oleg Sergeevich
I am the owner of a Lada Vesta car. When you start the car in the morning and start driving at low speed, you hear a distinct crackling sound lasting about two seconds. I tried for a long time to find the source and found out that this sound was produced by the ABS system (when I pulled out the fuse and started driving without it, there was no noise, as soon as I inserted it and drove it, it appeared). Tell me, is there such a sound on “resource” cars?
AR: This is not observed on any of our “resource” Ladas.
Akutin N.A.
Does Xray have engine detonation when shifting gears? How does air conditioning work at low speeds (in traffic jams)? Does the car occasionally jerk when starting from a stop?
AR: We have no questions about the efficiency of the air conditioning system at low engine speeds. Periodic jostling of the “robot” - yes, such a sin is common for AMT. The car moves unevenly, which looks like the clutch pedal has been thrown - but this only applies to a smooth start, this is not the case with a dynamic one. There is no detonation when changing gears.
Aferenok Viktor Anatolievich
I would like to know: is 11,300 rubles one pipe of the exhaust system or together with the converter?
AR: The middle part of the exhaust tract (resonator with bellows coupling) cost us this amount. Vesta’s converter is combined with the exhaust manifold.
Uzlov A.V.
Thanks for the comprehensive car reports! I would really like to know how many thousand kilometers the timing belt on a Vesta engine needs to be changed? There is an opinion that on a Priora 126 engine, if it is not replaced after 45 thousand kilometers, it will lead to disaster. And on new (after 2013) VAZ family cars with 16-valve engines, is such a replacement necessary in principle?
AR: The Vesta engine with index 21129 is a further modernization of the Priora engine. The frequency of replacing the updated timing belt (according to the factory instructions) is every 180 thousand kilometers.
Bekleshov Alexey Borisovich
How well do Vesta's rear passenger air ducts work? Do the feet of those sitting in the back seats get cold during the cold season? The problem is relevant because, for example, in Grant, passengers in the back are freezing.
AR: Vesta actually has air ducts for the feet of rear passengers, located under the front seats. There is airflow, and for now it is sufficient. But whether it will be enough even in severe frost is difficult to say, winter will tell.
Sviridov Konstantin Vladimirovich
Like Andrey Neverov, I don’t like the lack of illumination on the Xray when the daytime running lights are on. Are there ways to activate the backlight and does AvtoVAZ plan to solve this problem?
AR: The instrument panel backlight mode has recently appeared. We changed the ECU firmware, and now the instrument panel lights up constantly, changing only the brightness in Day-Night modes.
Lyapunov Evgeniy Andreevich
I'm interested in the sound insulation in the Vesta wheel arches. As many people write in reviews, if it rains, you will instantly have water there (the foam rubber will absorb everything). So I wonder if this thing will rot there?
AR:“Felt” fender liners are also used on many foreign cars today. They protect the wheel arches from noise and from sandblasting. Water penetrates into such fender liners, but flows down them quite quickly and dries out. And due to the fact that the fender liners themselves breathe well, the arches under them are better ventilated and rot less.
In our case, there is no hint of corrosion underneath them.
Matveev Anton Vladimirovich
On the forums, Vest owners often complain about the creaking of the stabilizer bushings, the knocking of the stabilizer struts, and the knocking in the rear strut supports. How are things going with this on the machines being tested? I would also like to know about glass - do they scratch quickly?
AR: Vesta's suspension was distinguished from the very beginning by its noisy character. But we did not detect any knocking from the rear struts or creaking of the stabilizer bushings.
Turkish glass is really soft: the door windows are scratched from constant lowering, and the windshield has traces of abrasive wear, although Vesta has not been driven in traffic at all.
A timing belt is a rubber part with notches on the inside that connects the crankshaft and camshaft to ensure vehicle movement. The responsible owner of a Lada Vesta, who has driven more than 50 thousand km, had to replace the timing belt at least once - so as not to find out prematurely whether the valves are bending.
Unfortunately, on the VAZ this ailment is transmitted from engine to engine, they cannot work on it in any way and the valve is bent due to the assembly: belt, rollers.
This unit is vulnerable and the valve will bend if one of these parts fails. The situation would have changed, or not, the problem would have gone away completely - install the AvtoVAZ pump separately, but alas, the pump is in one unit on all VAZ engines.
If the hr16de engine had entered the series, then this ailment would also be absent, you would only need to undergo maintenance on time, monitor the chain, and yes, valve adjustment, VAZ engines would again come into use.
After a significant mileage of the car or improper operation, the timing belt often breaks. Oil getting on the surface, untimely replacement of components, use of the car in severe frosts or, conversely, in sultry heat - this can damage the gas distribution mechanism drive.
Damage can be detected during maintenance of the Lada Vesta. Maintenance consists of inspecting the condition of the unit from time to time.
A rather significant problem for owners of Vestas with 16 valve engines in the event of a break is valve bending. This happens after the timing belt breaks or the links are stretched. When the links are stretched, the crankshaft continues to work, but the camshaft abruptly stops its movement. Next, the car engine stops completely. If you start it again, you can cause failure of the pistons, which will cause expensive repairs to the piston group of the cylinder block.
Read the article and your engine will be safe - you will replace the belt and rollers on time, preventing unexpected breakdowns.
Lada Vesta: When to change the timing belt, frequency and cost of repairs.
The vehicle's registration certificate provides for replacement of the unit after 180 thousand kilometers.
In practice, it is advisable to change the drive more often - after 80-100 thousand km, because the part does not always correspond to the original production.
The cost of replacement will be calculated taking into account the work of specialists and the cost of the part. Usually the cost of work is 3000-5000 rubles, and the price of the part depends on the manufacturer.
So, the average price:
- CT 1179 (CONTITECH) - from 1000 rubles;
- 5671 XS (Gates) — 3890 RUR;
- GATES K015631XS 16 class — 3890 RUR;
- Bosch 1987949686 (Bosch) - 1360 rub.
- Trialli GD770 - 2900;
- Lynxauto PK1300 - 2430 rubles per set.
Standard belt from factory
The frequency of replacing the timing belt unit of a Lada Vesta car is about 90-100 thousand km.
A resource is the frequency through which a node needs to be changed. The service life of the Gates model is approximately 200,000 km. It is important to consider that the service life of the timing belt is also influenced by external factors, including proper operation.
For some car models, including Lada Vesta, belts are supplied by the well-known Belgian company Gates.
It is better to buy a kit, along with a tensioner and a regular pulley.
The car comes with Gates or Contitech parts from the factory.
Replacement tool - you need to know
To replace the timing belt on a Lada Vesta, you need the following tools:
- inspection hole or overpass;
- socket wrench "17";
- hexagon “5mm”;
- Torx E12, wrench “10” and “15” mm.
- New belt, tension pulley and 2nd pulley.
You can replace the Lada Vesta timing belt yourself.
Instructions for replacing the timing belt on Vesta
You can carry out the work of replacing the timing belt on your own, but this is labor-intensive work.
Replacement requires the necessary technical equipment and experience in carrying out repair work.
At the beginning of installation and adjustment of the belt drive, you should remove its casing on the engine by removing the 5 fastening screws.
Remove the casing and remove the belt.
Using a 17mm wrench, turn the crankshaft using the roller bolts so that the marks on the camshafts coincide with the marks on the plastic casing. Turn until the crankshaft pulley with mark F coincides with mark E.
Using the same key, the crankshaft pulley and limiter washer are removed.
The remaining part of the casing is unscrewed with a 5-point hexagon: 2 bolts on the bottom and 3 on top.
Using a “15” wrench, unscrew the tension roller mounting bolt, after which it is dismantled in the same way as the idler roller. New rollers are put on in their place.
Then comes the installation of a new belt instead of the old one. First you should make sure that the marks are still set correctly, then the belt is installed on the camshaft and pulled to the crankshaft with tension. The timing belt tensioner pulley starts it last.
Use a snap ring puller to rotate the tension roller until the marks are compatible.
Next comes the assembly.
Replacement on motor 21179
The new timing belt is installed in the VAZ 21179 unit in the same way as disassembled earlier.
Analogue belt brands
If we talk about the best brands, then Gates, Contitech, Dayco and Bosch are the most promising in the segment and enjoy decent popularity.
Drivers trust spare parts from the Belgian company Gates, whose manufacturers supply their products to car factories.
An analogue of Geitz is the German company Contitech; its parts are also used during vehicle assembly.
When choosing timing belts, you should choose the original, which may be more expensive in price, but will last a long time. We wish you that your timing belt never breaks and is serviced on time!
At the moment, Lada Vesta is produced with 2 engines VAZ-21129 (1.6 l.) and VAZ-21179 (1.8 l.). Previously, this car was also equipped with an 8-valve VAZ-11189 engine (1.6 liters). In the near future, it is planned to produce a car with the French-Japanese power unit Renault-Nissan HR16de/h4m. What is all this for? Yes, because the timing belt on the Lada Vesta is installed depending on the type of power unit.
The Renault-Nissan engine has a chain installed instead of a timing belt.
The part with the article number is installed on the 11189 engine 21080100604082 . Average price - 320 rubles. Manufacturer: Gates (Poland). The most popular belt replacement for this 8 valve engine is VT25009. Manufacturer – VKT (China). Average price - 270 rubles.
Characteristics of the timing belt for the 8-valve VAZ-11189 Lada Vesta engine
VAZ-21129 and VAZ-21179 engines are equipped from the factory with a belt with the article number 8201069699 . The part bears the symbols of Renault, which is the official supplier of Lada parts. Manufacturer: Gates. Average price - 1250 rubles.
Characteristics of the timing belt for 16-valve engines VAZ-21129 and VAZ-21179 Lada Vesta
The most popular analogues for the original timing belt of VAZ-21129 and VAZ-21179 engines:
CT 1179. Manufacturer – CONTITECH (Germany). Average price - 760 rubles. One of the world's five largest suppliers to the automotive sector. The stock of this model is more popular than the original. The reason is that the quality is not inferior to the original, and the price of the part is on average 2.5 times lower.
5671 XS. Manufacturer – Gates (Poland). Price – 1250 rub. A company that produces original timing belts for Lada Vesta. The quality and parameters are similar to the original. Customer reviews are positive. At the moment, no operational problems have been detected.
Bosch 1987949686. Manufacturer: Bosch (Germany). Price - 900 rub. Popular global brand. The item has positive customer reviews. Used mainly on Renault cars.
Timing belt CT 1179
Timing belt Bosch 1987949686
Provided every 180 thousand km. But experts recommend changing it more often (90-100 thousand km). Much depends on the intensity of use of the car.
One of the main problems when a timing belt breaks is bent valves. Vesta also has this problem. The only exception is the HR16de/h4m engine, on which a chain is installed. To avoid belt rupture and avoid costly valve repairs, you need to check the timing belt at every service.
