06.09.2013, 15:15
Continuation of the topic Gasoline for Sandero, gas station (archive 1) (http://www..php?t=157)
But what kind of gasoline is better to fill in Sandero?
Gasoline examination: from the southern mountains to the northern seas (http://www.zr.ru/a/459851/)
I read different information on the Internet: where only 95 is written, where 93-95. If you can fill different ones, which one is preferable?
I filled the VAZ2105 with 93 for TNK. Does anyone put 95 on TNK, how is it doing?
In the Sandero operating manual (http://www.renault.ru/media/sandero/att00224630/sandero_manual.zip) from the official Renault website (http://renault.ru) only 95 is indicated for constant use, gasoline with less or high octane number only for a short time.
Gas station networks:
GAZPROM (http://www.azsgazprom.ru/index.php?id=26) (PRICES (http://www.azsgazprom.ru/index.php?id=30))
LUKOIL
(http://www.google.ru/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CCkQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.lukoil.ru%2Fnew%2Fazslocator% 2F&ei=yhRdUqSkMKex4wTk44DwDw&usg =AFQjCNE1uivm4faSCJLi3ZCyjqDnm3gM3g&sig2=l_ndmbcV0zYLJMpcMjIJSA)TNK (http://www.tnk.ru/map/)
ROSNEFT (http://www.rosneft.ru/Downstream/petroleum_product_sales/servicestations/) (PRICES (http://www.rn-card.ru/services/rnmap/))
06.09.2013, 15:41
Vitalya, I have 91-98 on my hatch *CRAZY*
06.09.2013, 16:02
So do I, too, but the manual now says 95th.
06.09.2013, 16:31
so euro4 zhezh)) what should they have written? :)
06.09.2013, 23:40
Continuation of the topic Gasoline for Sandero, gas station (archive 1) (http://www..php?t=157)
[B] VAZ2105 was filled with 93 at TNK. Does anyone put 95 on TNK, how is it doing?
I fill up with 95 gasoline at TNK all the time. I don’t fill up at other gas stations. The car has covered just over 10,000 km. IMHO everything is fine.
07.09.2013, 00:37
On the hatch there is a sticker 92-98. In the manual - 98, in the absence of it, 92 or 98 is allowed for a short time. Although from the very beginning I fill 92 at Rosneft or at the local Oskolneftesnab (there are no TNK in the vicinity, I am not delighted with the quality and prices of Lukoil). So far, no troubles have been identified. The mileage has exceeded 25 thousand. IMHO, a normal 92 is better than a bad 95 - relatives and successors of Vasily Alibabaevich’s business have not yet died out.
07.09.2013, 08:09
There is a sticker on the hatch 91-95-98. Throughout the entire adult life of the car I have been using Lukoil 92 gasoline (it comes with EURO-5), with minor variations 92EKTO, 95 also from Lukoil. The car likes gasoline, and so do I. I don’t plan to switch to something else (in the region there are also Gazprom and Rosneft gas stations from large networks). Mileage over 60,000.
07.09.2013, 12:04
Gentlemen, I recently purchased StepWay, now I’m still running 95! I read on the forums that basically everyone uses 92! A friend of mine has been riding Sandero for a year now and says that lei 95 and don’t worry! What is your advice? Is it worth switching to 92 after break-in?
Thank you.
08.09.2013, 02:53
This is the second year I’ve been pouring 92 into my Sandera and I’m not very good at this part, but suddenly at my gas station I discovered that 92 turns out to be of two types. I am “that” still a motorist...; People, can someone explain - which of these two 92s should I fill in now?
First:
Gasoline Regular 92 TK eeFuel
Or the second one:
Gasoline Regular 92 (92 Euro) - without F2-21 eeFuel additive
:(??
Andrey 247
08.09.2013, 10:43
I read somewhere (I think an auto review) a study on the consumption of 92 and 95 gasoline by Solaris, Polosedan and Logan 16.16 cl. As a result, it turned out that in terms of money consumption, there is practically no difference for Solaris and Polosedan, but for Logan it is more profitable to drive 95... the difference in gasoline consumption covers the difference in price. Since then I have calmed down and only drive 95 TNK, Lukoil, Rosneft. Perhaps this is not the case for our other engines, but it’s hard not to notice the difference in dynamics.
08.09.2013, 18:17
I fill up with 92 sometimes 95 at Gazprom.
08.09.2013, 20:30
IMHO, normal 92 is better than badyazhny 95
Is a “bad” 92 better than a 95? :-D Or is it better just a “normal” 95, recommended for constant use by the manufacturer?
Vladimir
08.09.2013, 20:38
08.09.2013, 22:13
*SORRY* Is 95 “not bad” in Russia?
For sure! Just like the 92nd. But: “We may have anything! We may not have anything you want!” (M. Zhvanetsky):-D
08.09.2013, 23:08
Due to the recent increase in gasoline prices, I stopped refueling at Lukoil, filled a couple of tanks with Tatneft 95.... I noticed a strange sound, similar to the rolling of balls on a metal sheet. I also refueled at Lukoil with 95 and the sound disappeared. And I like the smell of 95 at Lukoil better :-D :-D
10.09.2013, 09:16
I drove Lada 111 95 for 5 years and had no problems. At 92 the car pulled poorly. It was 95 for the first year on Sandero, as always I refueled at Tatneft. A year and a half later, at TO-45000, I cleaned the injector. That's what they recommended to me. Maybe they got scammed, of course. But I agreed. And they also recommended pouring 92 and not bothering. The car drove a little harder and wasn’t as playful, although there were no changes in fuel consumption. And since I use from 12.5 to 14.5 liters per day, the benefits are a tangible plus.
10.09.2013, 12:40
And they also recommended pouring 92 and not bothering.
Well, of course, idiots write all sorts of recommendations for Renault! *list* But those guys who, according to your suspicions, “conned” you into cleaning the injector, clearly won’t give bad advice!:-x Now the injector will definitely be cleaner!! *JOKINGLY*
11.09.2013, 09:34
11.09.2013, 13:50
11.09.2013, 14:33
11.09.2013, 14:40
Judging by the forum, the 92nd is “swallowed” by many Sanderos.
It's clear! But we ourselves swallow a lot of things that are not good for us! :-D
13.09.2013, 21:39
Initially, I fill in 95 mainly with ecto Lukoil, I want to switch, but Gazprom, they’ve been criticizing Lukoil lately. A colleague at the steppe has already changed 2 injectors under warranty. Then they refused to give me a warranty replacement, I changed it at my own expense because of the gasoline, it was only refueled by Lukoil.
I wonder if it’s possible to get your petrol checked yourself, does anyone know and how much will it cost? Or is there some way to check its quality yourself, do we have chemists here?
16.09.2013, 09:08
the difference in gas mileage outweighs the difference in price
But I don’t agree with this! I drove the 95 for more than a year. Now I have switched to 92nd. Let me explain. Due to the transition to another job, I now have to travel 85 km one way to work. This, who knows, is from Barybino to Odintsovo. Half the road is the Don highway, half the road is the Moscow Ring Road. The consumption of the 95 is 12-14 liters. The consumption of the 92nd is 12-14 liters. The driving style is the same. The only thing is that on the 95th the car will be a little sharper. The error in my calculations is minimal, because... I always reset the computer on Monday morning and compare on Sunday. So - the displacement will be the same.
Of course, I like driving the 95 better, but when the daily mileage is under 200, the difference in the cost of gasoline of 3 rubles plays a role.
Andrey 247
17.09.2013, 22:54
Serious observation, thank you! Indeed, in this situation, it makes sense to drive a 92... maybe I’ll switch to it someday, but it’s not relevant yet... I like the dynamics!
18.09.2013, 09:42
If you drive 95 with the dynamics of 92 gasoline, then there will be a real difference in fuel consumption in favor of 95, but in terms of money there will be equality in the calculation of rubles/km.
The main thing is not to get carried away with the dynamics, then the consumption will please you, but those who are overtaking will be sad.
I use 95 myself; I fit 3 thousand rubles into my monthly gasoline budget.
18.09.2013, 14:22
I wish you hello, friends! I used to fill it with 92 all the time, mainly on VR (I like the service), but recently I switched to 95, and even an improved one. And just recently I started refueling at RosNeft. In connection with this, the questions are: 1) do you recommend RosNeft fuel (95-fora)? 2) Is it harmful for the car to fill the fuel “under the cap”? Thanks in advance! :)
Determined by the specific gas station where you constantly refuel because not all Rosneft gas stations (http://www.rosneft.ru/Downstream/fora/) are equally useful, especially for 95-Fora
2) isn’t it harmful for the car to fill the fuel “under the cap”?...
18.09.2013, 15:29
Thanks for the answer!
19.09.2013, 04:39
Determined by the specific gas station where you constantly refuel because not all Rosneft gas stations (http://www.rosneft.ru/Downstream/fora/) are equally useful, especially for 95-Fora
It’s harmful, otherwise our automaker would be very happy to announce a filling volume for Logan/Sandero equal to the geometric capacity of the TB, that is, 65 liters, but it is forced to limit itself to a safe 50 liters.
Why the fright of 65 liters?
19.09.2013, 11:00
Why the fright of 65 liters?
The tank is full to capacity - from 52 to 55 liters - as lucky as you are...
This topic discusses this point in detail http://www..php?t=854
22.09.2013, 01:38
1) Gasoline Regular 92 TK eeFuel
2) Gasoline Regular 92 (92 Euro) - without F2-21 eeFuel additive
And the prices for them, however, are different... *very_sad*
22.09.2013, 02:03
So which of the two 92s should I put into Sandera?
Eh, I would like your problems... 8-)
Try gasoline from LUKOIL for a change - it’s simpler;) You have a lot of them in the city (http://www.lukoil.ru/new/azslocator/?bounds=51.37348336515072,45.336009333007816,51.72 452298274885,46.983958551757794 &territoryid=r31)
I use the regular 92 (which is not “ecto”) and drive without any extra thoughts.
06.10.2013, 20:21
When I picked up the Sandero from the dealership, I asked what kind of gasoline was in it and which one to use. They said 95th. I have been driving and drinking Gazprom 95 for three years. There are no problems, nothing has changed and the fuel system has not been cleaned, it starts up amazingly, everything is fine.
Vladimir
06.10.2013, 20:29
12.10.2013, 14:48
I fill up 95 at the PSU (it’s near the house)
If you have to refuel at an unfamiliar station, I’ll spend at least 95 rubles to get home :)
19.10.2013, 11:51
Do we have BAD gasoline?! (http://bmwservice.livejournal.com/5962.html)
Google showed that on my SANDERO Authentique 1.4 manual transmission5 the compression ratio is 9.5
19.10.2013, 12:41
Everything is the same, only 92. I’ve been driving for 4 years. Mileage 94,000. :)
19.10.2013, 13:00
on a 16 valve valve 9.8 so also 92nd only Gazprom and Lukoil
29.10.2013, 02:10
On the gas tank flap the recommended gasoline for the SPECIFIC (1.4 8V; 1.6 8V; 1.6 16V) installed engine is indicated.
There are three brands indicated on the hatch, but they do not have a specific connection to the engines, if you have not read the INSTRUCTIONS. 95th is recommended, 92nd and 98th are acceptable, but for a short time (i.e. under any force majeure circumstances, such as the absence of 95th at a gas station) .And in your opinion, it turns out that a 16-valve engine needs to be fed with 98m. And if there was a 1.2l in the line of engines, it would have to be fed with 80m?
The tank is full to capacity - from 52 to 55 liters - as lucky as you are...
The volume of the tank is indicated without taking into account the pipe (or hose) connecting the filler neck to the tank, and it may not contain a bucket, but it will also fit pretty well. But in reality it contains about 57 liters, about 60 liters at the Adam’s apple (according to my rough measurements, correct me if I’m wrong , if anyone measured it exactly)
What kind of gasoline do you put in your Stepway? 92 or 95? Or maybe you even use 98? What kind of gasoline should be poured into the Stepway in accordance with Renault technical recommendations? We will talk about this in our article today.
Benisin for Stepway
According to the recommendations of the manufacturer, the first generation Renault Sandero Stepway can be filled with gasoline starting from 92 and above. In Stepways of the second generation, Renault recommends using AI-95 and AI-98 gasoline.
In general, we could have ended here, since the answer to the question of what kind of gasoline to fill in Stepway has already been received - the one that the manufacturer advises. In general, this is correct and we always urge car enthusiasts to adhere to the manufacturer’s recommendations.
But, as it turned out, not everything is so simple with the Stepways. In fact, a huge number of owners of the second generation Renault Sandero Stepway, not to mention the first, ignoring these recommendations, without any doubt, fill their cars with 92-octane gasoline and drive as if nothing had happened. How permissible is this and what could it be fraught with? Let's try to figure it out.
As we have already said, in the first generation Stepways, one could safely fill in AI-92 gasoline, and this was fully consistent with the manufacturer’s recommendations.
On the second-generation Stepways, Renault excluded 92nd gasoline from the list of recommended fuels for refueling (look at the inside of your gas tank flap). But here, technically savvy car owners have a reasonable question - why? After all, all configurations of Stepway-2 are equipped with the same good old engines that worked well for many years on Stepways of the first series, as well as on simple Sanderos and Logans, and at the same time, they did not experience any problems with 92-octane gasoline.
We won’t give you a definite answer to this question, however, there is an opinion among Stepway owners that Renault recommends using 95 and 98 gasoline only in order to comply with the EURO-5 emissions standard! Considering that the Stepways of the second series have the same design engines as their predecessors, this argument sounds quite reasonable.
In fact, the experience of thousands of Stepway owners who pour tons of 92-octane gasoline into their gas tanks suggests that if you fill your car with this type of fuel, nothing bad will happen to it. Moreover, nothing bad will happen to it, even if you always refuel with 92-grade gasoline.
It is also noteworthy that representatives of some Renault dealerships, answering questions about the possibility of refueling second Stepways with AI-92 gasoline, confidently say that this can be done without any consequences for the car.
This is especially true for eight-valve engines. These units are not too demanding on the quality of gasoline and will forgive you even if you feed them downright nasty stuff bought at some NoName gas station. Sometimes you get the impression that the omnivorous Stepway eight-valve doesn’t care what to drive.
Regarding the possible negative consequences when filling second-generation cars with 92-octane gasoline, there is an opinion that AI-92 fuel, which has a higher combustion temperature, can quickly destroy the catalyst. However, this statement is very controversial and has not yet been confirmed by mass examples. 
To summarize our conversation, I would like to say that choosing the brand of gasoline with which you will fill your car is a personal matter for everyone. In no case do we encourage all Stepway owners to switch to 92-octane gasoline. On the contrary, by following the manufacturer's recommendations, you minimize your risks. But at the same time, there is no need to be afraid that 92 gasoline will “kill” the engine of your car. The experience of numerous Stepway owners suggests the opposite.
In the end, one of the main criteria when choosing gasoline for a car is the driver’s personal experience, based on long-term observations of the car’s behavior, its dynamics, fuel consumption, etc... If you constantly refuel your Stepway at a gas station of the same operator and the car behaves perfectly - no need to experiment. Continue to refuel with the same gasoline and everything will be fine! Whether it’s the 92nd or the 95th – Stepway, by and large, makes no difference.
Watch an interesting video on this topic:
Drygatel 1.4 8kl. chip tuning - firmware for 95th. At first it was 95, and a couple of weeks ago I carried out an experiment: I drove 92 for several days, then the same amount on 95. The route is the same. the weather is almost the same, TNK gas station, etc. The difference in consumption according to BC readings: 7.7 l/100 km at 92 and 7.5 at 95. I didn't notice any difference in dynamics. Now I have switched to 92nd.http://www.clubsandero.ru/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=21343&d=1320018000
1.6 16kl I've been using 92 since the day I bought it and I'm not worried about it. The mileage is 10t.km. I'm not going to switch to 95.
1.6 8kl I had Logan for 4 years - I poured 92nd and now I pour 92nd and don’t think twice about it:bk:
At 92, the automatic does not work on the highway. With. Yes, and it’s nice to be the first to leave a traffic light :) If there were mechanics, there would probably be doubts about what to pour. My brother thought and thought and started pouring 92 into his 16 valve, but he has a mechanic. It hasn’t become faster (in his words), but it hasn’t become dumber either. The motivation is just “the price of the issue”, so at the end of the year we will compare our spark plugs at his TO1, but in terms of operating conditions it is difficult to compare - he doesn’t drive around Moscow and very little on the highway.
By the way, it would be very interesting to know the priorities for the machine, who pours what in particular, if such a detailed and detailed survey was muddied. That is, in the voting line for 1.6 16kl, select another subtype for automatic transmission.
1.6 16v. At first, the 92nd poured, succumbing to words about saving. Then I tried the 95th. Money expenses did not change (I always filled up on the same day of the week for the same amount). The engine felt more pleasant to run. It has stayed there ever since. In general, my manual says to use 95, and only in its absence other permitted octane numbers (indicated on the tank cap).
formally this is possible - you can make a survey of 10 lines.
but I can’t fix it anymore.
M.b. can the moderators add a line?
What's the point of highlighting the automatic transmission? After all, the same 1.6 16 cells are installed with it. with slightly different firmware.
something after 92 in the Priora, I’m somehow afraid to pour anything other than 95 into the Sandera.
I just noticed that with prolonged use of the 92 on the Prior, the engine began to crack, and misfires began, which even replacing the spark plugs could not help.
I switched back to 95 and everything returned to normal. The engine began to run quieter and the misfires stopped.
So screw him. Better than 95.
And besides, familiar auto engineers said unequivocally - these Renaults are better than 95.
1.6 8v I always pour 92, several times I filled it with 95 - there is no difference, neither in winter nor in summer :) I didn’t notice any savings either.
The second car in the family is Hyundai Accent 1.5 16v - we also use 92, I didn’t feel the difference from 95, both in winter and in summer, both at low and high speeds. I didn't notice any savings either.
At the beginning of September this year, on the way from warm coastal places, apparently in the sweet bliss of a recent vacation, I lightly clicked my beak and missed a gas station. It happened at the entrance to the interchange to Rostov and Tikhoretsk from Krasnodar. The amount of gasoline in the tank was persistent. tended to zero, because the light had been on for quite a long time, but I decided that on such a busy highway this was not a problem. But, turning towards Rostov, I realized that I was mistaken. There were gas stations, but only when I saw them for some reason did Vasily Alibabaevich come to mind. When I realized that I had almost 100 % chance to stand on the side of the road with an outstretched hand, I decided to fill up at least a little, to hold out until a civilian gas station. And then at one of these “Alibabaevsky” I saw a traffic police “Priora” and foolishly taxied there. I filled up for 200 rubles on the 95th (about 7 liters). The car started and drove, even quite quickly, but the idle didn’t drop below 1700. I don’t know what it was, but it didn’t look like donkey urine. I was cured by filling up to the neck of 95m at Rosneft. TO-15,000, completed literally a month later, was done without replacing spark plugs (condition was perfect). Apparently God really saves fools, it could have been worse. So keep this in mind if anyone is planning to master this route in the near future.
1.6 8kl first drove the 92nd, then switched to the 95th. For me, the difference in dynamics is very noticeable - at 92 it felt like the car wasn’t moving at all. As a result, I fell in love with the 95th (TNK). I poured TNK Pulsar several times (forcedly) - after that the car was completely pulled out from under my feet, but the liquid is expensive, and it’s not clear what they did there.
I have not yet decided what kind of gasoline I will use. Most likely I will “feed” it 95 gasoline. When leaving the salon, I filled up 10 liters of 92. Engine 1.6 8kl. Total mileage 54km. :-D
Since leaving the car dealership I have been pouring 92nd on Rosneft.
I confirm the words of Serge. and I’ll add that Step on tress goes normally even at 92m (although the stated 6.1 is not even close, there are 7.0-7.5) and this is if you keep yourself cruising and overtaking less. and the city demands 95th, imh. at the bottom in sticky traffic jams, the consumption at 92m climbs to 11, and in order to accelerate you need to press the gas much more, and even then this makes more noise than the speakers. More familiar than Step" in 95th.
similarly, my Stepan drives sluggishly at 92 in the city, but at 95 it’s already vigorous. consumption in the city is 10-12 liters, on the highway at cruising 90-100 km about 7-7.5 liters.
In Vorozhen I only fill up with Lukoil
I drove it on the 95th, then switched to the 92nd, I take it straight from the factory - quality + price. But on the 95th it was more vigorous.
1.4 - I use 92nd *THUMBS UP*
on the highway I pour 95altimet from bp before leaving, on the highway itself either bp or shell or lukoil or whatever happens), in the city 92nd - I don’t see the point in burning 95th at idle
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Car 1.4 on the handle. Up to 4000 km I only refueled with 95 at Lukoil. Three days ago I refueled for the first time with Ecto 92 (also Lukoil). I felt changes immediately, the car became sluggish, consumption increased.
The car is Sandero Stepway 1.6 8 cl, I refueled with a Nova 95, dashed off 3800, I refueled in different ways, both 95 and 92, although now I prefer 95, it still drives more vigorously, I refuel only at Rosneft gas stations, former Yukos.
In continuation of the dialogue, the better way to fill it, I can offer my thoughts on this matter. Last year I made some calculations obtained by calculation and analysis - as a result, it turned out that on the highway 95 is preferable in terms of fuel economy, and this year I decided to check (confirm or refute) last year’s data using a graphical method. Fortunately, for this purpose, through the common efforts of members of the forum, a certain toolkit was developed that allows, as it seems to me, to fairly reliably draw an average line from a statistical data field (or cloud).
A little about the methodology for obtaining data. I have to travel between Ufa and Kazan quite often (about 550 km one way). I made it a rule to record data on average speed and fuel consumption at various sections of the route (usually at gas stations or “smoke breaks”). The data is cumulative or resets to zero at each stop, followed by updating and recording data on consumption and average speed.
At the same time, I recorded data on urban traffic patterns. Control races at a distance of at least 30 km.
Previously, I recorded all the indicators on a recorder or camera (my data is presented in fairly large quantities in the corresponding topic on the forum), then I became lazy and began to simply write down the data in a notepad. Since I did this solely for myself, driven by the “research itch” and simple human curiosity, I ask you not to consider this all a convincing statement or a refutation of someone’s opinions. It turned out what happened, so to speak, IMHO)
So, over the course of 1.5 years of operation, I have accumulated 132 points on this topic, including 78 points on 92nd gasoline and 54 on 95th gasoline. All data was obtained on the same highway and along approximately the same city routes in the direction both “there” and “here”, on the same car, with approximately the same load, the same driver was behind the wheel, traffic (in terms of intensity and mode) are almost the same. In September of this year I stopped keeping statistics because... the curves were practically no longer updated - they stood in place as if nailed down... why, one might ask, waste time?)
And now the conclusion is that in city mode it is more economical to drive on 92nd gasoline, and outside the city on 95th. For example, with 92 gasoline, the minimum gasoline consumption is achieved at a speed of less than 70 km/h, and with 95 gasoline, at approximately 75 km/h. There was one staged super-economical run at 95, but I removed it from the statistics - it slightly underestimated the curve. Let it be so - it’s more objective)
Thus, it turned out to be a confirmation of last year’s calculation - 95 is more economical on the highway. Of course, the savings are insignificant, maybe even within the limits of calculation error, but the trend can be traced)
And some more personal statistics.
To date, with a mileage of 75,681 km, 6,531 liters of gasoline have been burned with an average consumption of 8.64 l/100 km.
Of this amount, 95 gasoline - 3,266 l, 92 - 3,318 l,
Including by brand:
Lukoil – 1,388l
Bashneft – 915l
Bashkirnefteprodukt – 920l
Tatnefteproduct – 3,311 l.
Recently I switched to 92nd from Lukoil. Still, 30 rubles for 95 is already going too far psychologically) By the way, 92 Lukoil was recommended to me by an office dealer in Ufa, citing the fact that after the purchase of Bashneft by AFK Sistema, the quality of Bashkir gasoline deteriorated (nothing personal, I’m just quoting the words of a complete stranger))
Well, the choice towards Lukoil was due to the fact that Lukoil declares its gasoline as Euro 5, and this is a different service life of the catalyst)
By the way, I noticed that in Ufa there are always long queues at Lukoil gas stations. Unfortunately, in Bashkiria and Tataria there is very little Lukoil - they don’t let the competitor in)
These are the thoughts. Good luck and all the best to everyone!
PS. Thank you uv. mastergm, for help in preparing the material)
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